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The Rich Get Richer and the Poor Get Poorer

by SeasideMan @ 27/04/08 - 11:05:26

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http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSL1777256220070717

The divide between rich and poor in Britain has widened to its greatest gap for more than 40 years, a social policy research charity said”

It has happened because “average households” have become poorer: “The proportion of average households fell from around two-thirds of families in 1980 to just over half by 2000”. There are fewer extremely poor people now, but far more near the poverty line, with 27% of families in 2001 being “breadine poor”. The number of “asset-wealthy” households has gone up “dramatically” and stood at 23% of households in 2003.

The root of the problem, according to the report’s authors is “people on higher incomes being overpaid, rather than those on low incomes being underpaid”. And people don’t like it, as this survey from February 2008 shows:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/jun/20/globalisation.ukeconomy

75%, say the gap between high and low incomes is too wide in Britain

And 54% of people think taxes don’t make society fairer. So what’s the answer? Increased pay for the lower paid is one possibility. Perhaps the minimum wage should be raised.

The major political parties in this country all seem to be debating taxation at the moment and I see that as a very good thing. I hope we get some sensible and radical suggestions, but I suspect we won’t.

Personally, I’d like to see VAT scrapped and income tax increased to compensate, and more of the tax burden being paid by the high and very high earners. Get rid of National Insurance too and put that on income tax. The tax rules should be so simple that they could be written on a single sheet of paper and be understood by a child. It’s harder to fiddle an incredibly simple system.

Cheers, Tom.

P.S: Only 36% of voters want tax cuts, but 67% think they pay too much tax. Perhaps we just like to moan!.

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The whole world is out of kilter between the obscenely rich and the obscenely poor, the latter of which make up the majority of the world's population...this is a disgrace and something must be done to balance the discrepancy more fairly....we in the UK cannot even be called poor even on the bottom of the ladder compared to the poverty in other parts of the world, but, relatively speaking, in an affluent country like ours, the distribution of wealthy is not fair and that causes discontent and strikes and discord. We do like to moan, but we are also loathe to rise up and protest too strongly as would happen in France for example because we are definitely armchair revolutionaries rather than public ones...perhaps a bad thing, but then again we've always been a more passive people than the Europeans until driven to the edge then we fight...obviously we're not on the edge just yet, but might be getting nearer it...big hugs..XXX

SeasideManSeasideMan pro
27/04/08 @ 12:34

I agree with you about world poverty, but at the moment I'm more concerned about the way Britain is heading. I don't see Labour doing anything about the widening divide and I don't think the Tories would either. Plus, we currently have an unelected PM.

I'd like to see Proportional Representation so that more minority views get heard in parliament, but this is just a wild dream really.

Cheers, Tom.

There is some concern in me about PR because it's not always a good idea...look at Italy and other European countries with it...the major parties have to rely on deals with smaller parties often in order to get an overall majority and some bed fellows are definitely not desirable but unavoidable if you want to govern...you could find the BNP having far more of an influence than it has now, but, having said that, I do agree the current system isn't fair...and the one thing you can be sure of the Tories are never going to reduce the divisions between the poor and the rich...for all their hypocritical rhetoric about being the caring party...:-/ since bloody when ever?...they won't upset their main supporters by making them pay more taxes, and they're certainly not going to give any more money to the poor they already consider to be cheating the government out of millions...so have no idea how this current divide is going to be resolved...I don't think it is...the tide has flowed in the direction of the obscenely wealthy few and they control so much now, I can see no way the poor are going to find a way of reducing their power...the capitalist West made sure the communist countries in the East failed, and China is moving slowly but surely towards a capitalist system and will eventually be similar to the USA in its division of wealth I suspect....it's something China should watch very carefully if it does believe in a fair distribution of wealth amongst its peoples....the USA certainly doesn't and neither do most European countries anymore...hmmm...armchair revolutionaries are at it again...with no solutions alas...:) Big hugs...XX

SeasideManSeasideMan pro
27/04/08 @ 17:28

I agree with most of what you say, with the exception being the PR bit. I think alliances with smaller parties would be good as it causes a wider spread of opinion within the governing party. If the BNP gain more of a voice, that's democracy - we can't pick and choose who is popular.

But there is an even deeper issue that I don't like, and that's the very oppositional nature of parliament itself, with a government and an opposition each trying to score points over the other. All too often time is wasted on silly arguments with one side disagreeing with the other because they have to and the government not accepting ideas from the opposition simply because that's where it came from. There's too much of a kids in the playground attitude about it, and Prime Minister's question time is just thoroughly ridiculous.

Thanks for your thoughts, much appreciated.

Cheers, Tom.

Oh, couldn't agree more about Parliament...damned pathetic behaviour all round...you're right, it's like a kid's playground and annoys the hell out of me...they think it's cut and thrust but in reality it's bully boys and girls with the Speaker of the house as the teacher in charge during playtime...And, I know democracy means accepting all forms of opinion including far right and far left and I don't mind that, until one or other becomes the one deciding who governs and who doesn't, which could happen if PR was adopted...I think to keep this mainly three party system going with one never standing a chance of getting in is absurdly undemocratic, so I guess there's no alternative but PR if we want a solution...I certainly agree with you we need a change of some sort...big hugs...

SeasideManSeasideMan pro
27/04/08 @ 18:43

You'll laugh at this: my email software just abbreviated the subject of your reply to "the rich get richer and the poor get poo"! That seems about right, :-)

I agree with you that the current system is undemocratic. We get either one party or the other and a choice between 2 isn't much of a choice.

I used to hope that at some point in the future we'd have some sort of direct democracy where people got to vote from home with some sort of clever device on every issue. But I know that such a system is practically unworkable since most people aren't informed enough to decide and because we'd end up with inconsistent policy.

*sigh*

I wish there were easy answers.

Cheers, Tom.

Yes, I used to imagine that as well...true democracy...however I realised pretty quickly you're asking a heck of a lot of the general public, most of whom have very little interest in politics, and even less knowledge of what goes on in government or the country...you have to have a highly educated public for this method of democracy to work and we haven't got that yet, if ever...like you say we'd end up with an inconsistent policy based on a probably undemocratic vote by those people who bothered to vote, which I guess would be a minority if voting for things was frequent...The desire to start all over again is pretty powerful sometimes, but absolutely impossible or to go back to the drawing board and work out a better method of government is equally unlikely with so much vested interest in maintaining the status quo...a hung Parliament next time would at least include the smaller parties but the dealing behind the scenes would be frantic and ruthless I think...still would make a change...LOL...big hugs...

SeasideManSeasideMan pro
27/04/08 @ 19:50

I have to agree with every word of that, unfortunately.

A fresh start would be great, but I know it's impossible.

Cheers, Tom.

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