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Hooked on a Feeling: smoking or non-smoking?

by SeasideMan @ 30/04/08 - 11:42:05

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7373667.stm

There’s a report at the BBC today of the adverts that created most complaints in 2007. The winner by a fair margin was the Department Of Health’s anti-smoking advert which featured people being hooked in the mouth rather viciously, like a fish on a line, and then dragged along the ground (you can watch the advert at the above link). 774 people complained about them, saying that the adverts were “offensive, frightening and distressing”. The complaints were upheld on the basis that they “have the potential to frighten and distress youngsters”.

But isn’t that the point? Research has shown that shock tactics are the ones most likely to succeed, and if a few children get shocked by the adverts and as a result never become smokers then isn’t that a good thing?

This leads neatly into the subject of the UK turning into a “nanny state”. There are lots of examples of this, but smoking is perhaps the most visible one. Is it really any of the state’s damned business if people choose to smoke themselves to death? We make risk assessments all the time as we live. Driving a car is a risk, being in a major public building or mass transit system is a risk, even walking down the pavement carries the risk that a car will mow you down as a blade of grass is cut by a lawn-mower. Smoking is the same.

Smokers know the risks and they choose to carry on doing it and I support their tight to slowly poison themselves. The government makes money out of it anyway. The cost to the NHS from treating smokers is far less than the revenue the government makes from the “sin tax” on ciggies. But I do think that adverts specifically aimed at children to persuade them not to start smoking is probably a good thing.

I also think that employees deserve protecting from the smoke of others and for that reason I support the recent ban on smoking in bars and restaurants. Popping outside to appease your addiction doesn’t seem like too much of an inconvenience really. The argument the other way is that the staff don’t have to work in those places, but that isn’t entirely fair. Bar staff tend to be people who are only able to work at specific times of the day such as students and single-parents, and bar work is one of the few options available to them.

Cheers, Tom.

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359Rabbit359Rabbit pro
30/04/08 @ 12:11

Actually you are wrong the cost to treat smokers is far more than the Government receives in revenue, or so the experts say. But I agree with you, its the right of very one to die from lung cancer brought on by smoking if they so wish.

Smoking is becoming more and more anti social, but banning fron pubs is not right either, if the a pub advertises that smoking is allowed on the permises then non smokers can go in and suffer or go to a non smoking establishment. Thats a achoice they are free to make, however, I do agree that smoking should be banned from places that serve food.

There is evidence that the smoking ban has affected revenue of some pubs, however some have reported an increase in takings, a bit of a paradox don't you think.

Rabbit

loiswakemanloiswakeman [Member]
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30/04/08 @ 12:35

I believe you have that the wrong way round: smokers, like motorists, are a net input to the Treasury. The NHS spends an estimated £1.5 billion on smoking related diseases, and the tax take is about £8 billion.

SeasideManSeasideMan pro
30/04/08 @ 12:52

You're right, Lois. I'll be interested to see Rabbit's source for that statement. Instead of saying this:

"The government makes money out of it anyway. The cost to the NHS from treating smokers is far less than the revenue the government makes from the “sin tax” on ciggies"

I should have put the numbers in. It's currently about £1.7 billion cost and £9.7 billion benefit as far as I can tell. That's primarily why a complete ban is unlikely.

Cheers, Tom.

SeasideManSeasideMan pro
30/04/08 @ 12:43

What was your source for the figures you used to determine that I was "wrong" with my statement on the financial cost of smoking?

This article is from December 2003:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3292979.stm

Revenue from tobacco: £9.3 billion
Cost to NHS: £1.5 billion

Smokers were a benefit of almost £8 billion then and current figures will be broadly similar.

If you can find some figures that contradict this, I'd like to see them.

Tom.

359Rabbit359Rabbit pro
30/04/08 @ 12:13

I think shock tatics should be used to stop people smoking, I would amagine that a smoke related is not very nice

Rabbit

loiswakemanloiswakeman [Member]
http://lois.co.uk
30/04/08 @ 14:01

Tom - how serendipitous that you used the title of my last post in my devonlife blog: living in a nanny state!

Another ironic coincidence: the OFT was recently investigating tobacco firms and supermarkets over alleged price fixing, saying that this 'damaged consumers'. This is another arm of the same government that is trying to stop us smoking.

I heartily agree about letting people do what they want as long as it doesn't harm others. Why they act so officiously to stop child murderers etc. topping themselves in prison, I shall never understand. (Ooops - not very PC!)

SeasideManSeasideMan pro
30/04/08 @ 14:31

Whatever happened to the promised concept of "joined-up government"? That's just typical that one arm of government wants to increase tax on ciggies and another wants them cheaper.

I really think I'd make a good dictator. I don't think I could do much worse than our current shower of...incompetents.

I have a comment to make on your nanny state blog, but I must walk the dogs first. I swear I hadn't seen that when I made this blog!

Cheers, Tom.

359Rabbit359Rabbit pro
30/04/08 @ 14:30

OK I was wrong; I was just going off what I heard on a TV program, probably made by the NHS. If tobacco and alcohol were invented now they would probably classed as Class A drugs, a complete ban would be impossible we all know that is bad for you if a person wants to smoke that’s their decision its there money and there health.

SeasideManSeasideMan pro
30/04/08 @ 14:35

There is a great deal of misinformation on this subject from all quarters. The real figures are normally available on the gov.uk website somewhere, and those are the reliable ones.

I agree about drug ratings too. Alcohol kills about 25,000 a year in the UK and tobacco in excess of 100,000. These completely drown out the figures from other drugs.

Cheers, Tom.

skip2468skip2468 [Member]
01/05/08 @ 21:58

You may claim to have the nanny state. We are surely the nanny nation with Nanny being our head of state, fully supporting the fact that any form of smacking remains a criminal offence. Her government passed that curse upon us. Thank God that she will be dumped along with her cohorts this year.

I suppose she may be excused having reached an elderly age, has never given birth to a child and of course has never faced the trials and tribulations of raising a family in these difficult times.

SeasideManSeasideMan pro
01/05/08 @ 22:15

I wouldn't be so sure that Labour are going to be dumped yet. Politics is a funny old beast. Even if Labour do go, it's not certain that the Conservatives will repeal the 2005 Children's Act. "Light smacking" is still allowed under the law at present anyway, I think.

Cheers, Tom.

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